The True Story About Jerry Billett
On Sunday August 18th, 2013, Jerry Billett sent out an email to the buyers list of the FB Cash Method (see below.)
In that email, he accused me of intentionally stealing commissions and “abusing” the FB Cash Method buyers.
He also denied agreeing to adding Zaxaa as a new sales platform.
That is utterly and 100% false. And this blog post will set the record straight.
Unfortunately because of Jerry Billett’s actions, I am forced to defend myself in a public forum.
Since then, I have received numerous emails and calls that Jerry has been talking to people, PMing them and destroying my reputation. Unforgiveable. Especially since up until a few weeks ago, Jerry private messaged me saying I changed his life and thanked me for putting my reputation on the line to help him out (see screenshot from July 3rd 2013 below.)
You may be wondering what Jerry’s motivation is and I can only guess that it has to do with a series of events that started on August 5th that I questioned him about:
- A fraudulent chargeback against our company for over a thousand dollars.
- Me asking him to finally settle and pay his share of the FBCash launch expenses that we were to share 50/50 including marketing and support expenses of which he has paid $0…
- And as a consequence me withholding a few hundred dollars in mlmzing commission (until this chargeback issue was all settled.)
You will see that from screenshots below that I am telling the truth and my only goal here is to clear my name that Jerry is trying so hard to destroy.
So back to Jerry’s original email…
After I read Jerry’s email…sent the EXACT SAME day I had officially announced our new integration with Zaxaa, I was very angry.
How could a guy I had helped so much, turn on me for no reason?
It felt like a vicious sabotage of my announcement – of yet another thing I had done to make it easier for our affiliates to make money with the FB Cash Method. Understand from the beginning that Jerry had no understanding of how to launch a product and it was all left to me and my staff to handle support, including the expenses he never did end up paying. I also created ALL of the sales copy, including swipe copy and banners for my FB Cash Method Affiliates.
I wrote a scathing letter and was about to send it to all the FB Cash buyers. But then I took a step back. I took a deep breath. And decided to have a more strategic approach.
Jerry, in his email, asked FBCash buyers multiple times for screenshots and implied that I had abused my own customers – even implying that being set to delayed commissions was somehow a negative thing I was doing to harm my own buyers.
I decided to tell this story as plainly and factually as possible. I will tell most of it in Jerry Billet’s own words – using screenshots of what he said where ever possible.
First, let’s talk about the Zaxaa deal.
Jerry Billet said in his email to the FBCash Buyers:
P.S I never gave word to switch FB Cash to any
new platform so now things are about to get
real . Send in any videos or screen shots of
missing sales & lets make things happen.
And yet here is a Facebook message from June 12 and 17th, 2013 that show his compliance with the decision.
And I don’t want to get off track, but the addition of Zaxaa was simply that – an addition.
When it is setup correctly, as it is now, if affiliates use their Zaxaa link, the order will go through Zaxaa and the affiliate will get their commission.
If however, they use their JVZoo link, even if the affiliate goes to the Zaxaa page, Zaxaa will recognize and track that sale and the customer will go through the JVZoo system. The JVZoo affiliate will get full credit for that sale (and an instant commission if they are approved for instant commissions.)
As you can see from above, Jerry was ready to go with the system and start logging sales!!!
Look at this screenshot and you will SEE as of August 6th, 2013, Jerry had been making sales in ZAXAA:
How he can even claim to not agree with the added system BAFFLES me since he himself already set up his own Zaxaa account, and he had been receiving commissions for the sales logged through Zaxaa already by the time his email went out.
Jerry’s email was, in my opinion, drafted to create fear over potentially lost commissions, move people into a different opportunity perhaps, who knows. I certainly don’t. Even if the affiliate got traffic from a JVZoo link generated on launch day, it would still track to the referring affiliate.
Jerry is accusing me of somehow stealing commissions from affiliates, but if you look at this screenshot from JVZOO below, you can see that the MAJORITY of sales are coming through a wide variety of JVZOO affiliate accounts:
The truth is that Jerry Billet has not been involved in the back-end of the product from Day 1.
The main JVZOO account (and Paypal account) everything is run through is owned by me.
Jerry asking people to email him if they are set to delayed commissions – as if that is something shameful – makes no sense. In fact, with very few exceptions, affiliates are only placed on “instant commissions” once they have a history with my company.
It is important for you to understand that Jerry Billet does not have access to the affiliate approval system in JVZoo or Zaxaa to make anyone eligible for instant commissions. So he has no authority to approve ANY affiliate or change ANY affiliate to instant commissions in either JVZOO or Zaxaa.
I can only assume that he is phishing for active engaged affiliates in order to private message them – as he has done with some of our MLMZing affiliates.
In fact, Jerry does not even know what is going on in the backend (see screenshot below where I explain why some people are not on instant commissions.)
You can see from his messages about the support desk where he asks me what is going on, and how I deal with the support issues!
Understand that my staff and I have answered and responded to EVERY single message received in the support desk from Day 1. Jerry has NO ACCESS to the support desk.
Jerry even mentions he turned off Facebook and blocked people in order not to deal with some of it. Is this how he treats his Facebook Ninja Squad?
The screenshots below are part of a continuing conversation about support (which he did not partake in, and explanation of delayed commissions.)
As an example of delayed versus instant commissions, FBCash was scammed out of $1900 just recently from an affiliate in Vietnam who had been placed on instant commissions. Again, I was on the line and paid for that, Jerry did not.
Jerry Billet owes money into the project and he is not paying…
When I choreographed the launch, using my resources, my list, and my JV contacts, we decided to run some FB PPC ads towards the end of the initial launch.
We agreed that we would split these costs.
Note the first message on March 5th, 2013. When I bring it up, he agrees.
Jerry has still not paid his share of these FB Ad spend or the support. These were NOT taken out of his MLMZing commissions.
I sent in payment requests and he cancelled both of those. These invoices do not include the thousands of dollars we spent on support and the help desk, which Jerry Billet owes our company for.
Now Jerry claims, despite the clear proof, he never agreed to share these costs, and yet, you can see from the screenshots above he is clearly lying.
Our launch was very successful, and we ended up doing about 3000+ units on our initial launch. With a launch that size, you need to do support. Things are not perfect. Emails don’t get delivered. Customers lose their login information. These issues need to be handled.
Yes, these are the same customers in his email that Jerry said:
With that said share this email with every person
you sold the FB Cash too and lets get everyone
rocking love all my customers and no one abuses
the FB Ninja squad.
So to ACCUSE me of not taking care of my customers, when I was the only one doing it, is ridiculous!
And to top it off, just a few days ago, on Saturday, August 17th, he wanted to ensure that no one would receive a commission for it with this message to me:
Now, let’s talk about Jerry Billett and how he felt about Andrew Murray…
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He told me on multiple occassions that MLMZing was the best product on the marketplace – and that everything he knows about internet marketing he learned from MLMZing.
Our company has paid Jerry several thousands of dollars in affiliate commissions for MLMZing, and he was also getting a full 50% on my MLMZing offer in the FB Cash Method funnel.
And then, suddenly we get hit with the fraudulent chargeback from Jerry Billett…
Jerry Billet bought a product I put out with another person.
On the sales webinar, we specifically stated that it was a pre-launch event and we were selling founder’s positions. We also stated several times during that webinar that this was for people with vision and that if they bought at this early stage, there were no products available yet.
Of course, we did start adding products, and this product is still in development as an on-going training center.
According to his close friend (someone he talks to daily) Jerry was itching for a refund from the beginning.
So 4 months after purchasing, he chargebacked via his bank.
After I recieved word of his chargeback, I was shocked. I felt horrible.
Finally, on August 5th, 2013, I called Jerry Billett from my lakefront home. I asked him what the story was.
At first, he told me that his bank called him in because there were a lot of marketing-related charges, and he had “all these marketing-related charges” on his card. And he told me on that phone call that he wasn’t sure what happened, the bank just disputed it for him.
He also volunteered that Essante Organics, a network marketing company run by Michael Winneger, had charged him $2000 in products he had never received. I have not verified this statement with any other parties.
He made it sound like there were a bunch of charges and he just said “Yes” or “No” to them as the bank manager read off a list.
He claimed that because he hadn’t logged in to the re-vamped site we launched to the group that he never got the product.
I have verified that he did login on numerous occassions.
I won’t say that our launch was perfect.
We had a slight issue where the software we were using did not post the order to the affiliates account automatically. To make clear – everything was tracking signups successfully. But we had to manually approve all payments. So we decided to invest for the long-term and change platforms. We explained this in numerous webinars to our customers that Jerry Billet was a part of and participated in.
These things happen.
But after going off on another topic, where I just just setup a custom funnel I set up specifically for Jerry to promote an ebay funnel. I wound the conversation back around and said, “But I don’t get it Jerry, what did you say to your bank, because if you said that, there’s no way they would have done a chargeback.”
Eventually, he told me in detail that he had told his bank he “never received the product” and started justifying it by claiming he had not logged into our 2.0 website. The terms of purchase he agreed to do not warrant a chargeback for this reason. This was in violation of our terms of service.
As such, even though we had ALREADY PAID Jerry his commissions for this new project, he had not requested a check. So we were fortunately able to clawback the couple hundred dollars in commissions he actually made.
I also heard from another source that he had encouraged other members of our site to also attempt to encourage them to initiate an unlawful chargeback.
So I asked him directly if he did that.
He said he was really hurt by this.
“Andrew, Andrew,” he said, “how could you even think that about me.”
He was apparently offended by this.
And YET, many of you have come forward and told me JERRY ENCOURAGED YOU TO CHARGEBACK.
I have the proof via screenshots and emails … but have not posted here to protect those of you who made me aware of what Jerry was doing.
You may be reading this right now and might have gotten one of those calls, private message etc…disparaging me and my name. That is legally defamation of character.
This was exactly 13 days before he tried to permanently ruin my character and credibility with my own buyers list on Aug 18th – the same buyers list I had carefully constructed the FB Cash Method to build for him.
Jerry Billet was thrilled I would pay him 50% – same as me on my product. But I wanted to help him build a list. So I took extra time and set it up so that the buyers would join HIS list FIRST upon buying and my list if they created a membership account.
How could a guy who I had helped so much – just look at Jerry Billett’s own words on MULTIPLE occassions – not even call me up and talk it over with me before hitting me with a surprise chargeback?
I thought about it for a long time.
I wrestled with the fact of paying him as a partner – knowing that he had chargebacked fraudulently against my company – and here are two things you should know about chargebacks:
- Lying on a chargeback is fraud. Pure and simple.
- Chargebacks are an aggressive attack on the merchant.
So we put a stop-payment on his commissions with the product he charged back on. Fortunately he had not withdrawn the money and we were able to freeze these funds.
I removed him as a partner from Zaxaa at some point during this stage, pending resolving these outstanding money issues. Up to that point, and well after he had expressed that he didn’t know Zaxaa, he was getting a commission split on those sales.
And when it came to paying my MLMZing affiliate commissions, we withheld about $500 in commissions until we got to the bottom of all these issues. It’s against our terms of service of affiliates to file fraudulent chargebacks.
And then I started looking at the rest of the money he owes our company.
Again, I sent in payment requests and he cancelled both of those.
I called him and he uncharacteristically refused to take my call.
The Warning I Got About Jerry Billett…
Before I partnered with Jerry, a well-known six-figure marketer warned me about working with Jerry. I ignored him. Shame on me for not heeding that advice.
Since then, I have had multiple six-figure+ earners warn me about Jerry Billett.
And so this is where we are today…
I have gotten wind of things Jerry has said about me, but at the end of the day, it’s up to you to choose who to believe.
I just needed to set the record straight publicly since Jerry made this a public conversation and deliberately emailed all the buyers of my product, FB Cash Method with the intention to harm my character.
Bottom line is, you don’t last in the this industry as long as Marie and I have without treating people properly and paying commissions.
So far, Jerry is the only person we have had to void the commissions of in MLMZing for any reason. (in this case, terms of service violations.)
So there you have it. Me setting the record straight and refusing to deal with all the lies.
At the end of the day, FB Cash Method is a great product. As Jerry and I agreed in the beginning, each of us is free to do what we want with the recordings. I created FB Cash Method. It’s my product.
I hope you have a clearer picture of the events surrounding this situation and about Jerry Billett and his character based on his OWN words.
If you have any questions about the FBCash Method, contact me.
If you have an opinion either way, please feel to comment below!